Why should you support this immigration movement? Do you honestly think those white a$$holes are going to stop with illegal immigration? Does the chinese exclusion act ring a bell? Did you know that you, as asians, had no freaking rights until Martin Luther King came along? Or the antimiscegnation laws against asian men? Or the no asians wanted in the saskatchewan, Canada? Or the internment of japanese americans? Or the McCarthy communist scare period in the 50's which deported dozens of loyal chinese americans? Does ANY OF THIS RING A GODDAMN BELL? Face it, white people have committed more genocide, slavery, and subjugated, raped, and pillaged more people of color than any known race in history. Give em an inch, they'll take a mile. This immigration issue is SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

From your message, it sounds more like you are the bigot and the racist that you so hate in "white people". The new bills does not exclude any races or sex from legal immigrations. There are no discrimination against asians, latinos, mexican, hispanics, Jews, blacks or green men from coming to the US legally. There are no Chinese exclusion and there are no communist exclusion in the proposed bill. Rather, it curves the wave of ILLEGAL people coming into this country. Why shouldn't Illegal have to wait in line to get into this country. I did. Your words of hatred for the white man only serves to blind you.Yes - Martin Luther King is a great man of courage and conviction. I don't see what or how he has to do with Illegals crossing our borders, unless you are saying the Illegals are slaves.You don't think, the Asians, Spaniards, Blacks or Islam nation commited such a horrific atrocity in their own country? Come on, look at the world around you and stop blaming the white man. Men are men. There are no color or race in the fight for power, only greed and deceptions. It happens everywhere -- but only in the US where you are able to spread your hatred freely and I am able to argue against you freely. Can you say that if you were in Cuba, Nort Korea, China, Iran, etc...Can you say that today about those countries? I don't think so. Please don't bring back history of how the white man have wronged you.Legalizing ILLEGAL people will only hurt the people they are trying to protect as well as the legal American citizens. You will only create another class of legal working poor and then another poor class of Illegals.

Yo! Chinese were the first put into Halliburton's new internment camps partly because Asian Americans are not speaking up on this issue. Does anyone know if these 39,000 Chinese have been interned yet?Chinese American internment camps in the USThere are about 11-12 Million undocumented immigrants in this country, 1 Million of whom are Asian American.The Department of Homeland Security as headed by Michael Chertoff recently awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root a contract of up to $385 million to build internment camps within the United States.You might ask, who would the US intern on its own lands, and why?Over at DailyKos I found this posting that described how 39,000 Chinese American immigrants and their families who have been denied citizenship in the US but who China refuses to allow reentry, are going to be housed in internment camps IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.These people have not been found guilty of any crimes, except that they would like greater opportunities for their kids and themselves. In a few weeks, nearly 40,000 Chinese immigrants and their families will be interned.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/17/13272/4156http://powerandpolitics.blogspot.com/2006/03/chinese-american-internment-camps-in.html

the article was dated march 17 and the article said they'd be interned a few weeks later which would be last week. so asians were the first victims of immigration reform. how do you feel now about asians being the first victims of immigration reform, michael?

Like I said, the issues is not about races, color, gender or sex. It's about Legal immigration or Illegal criminal crossing of our borders.Its not about me being an Asian, Latino, Mexican or Black. Its about Illegal people. I really don't care that Asians are put in detention center awaiting deportation - that's what should happen. These center are only necessary only because they couldn't be deported right a way. Whether they are Chinese are irrelevant to me. They are here Illegally. Being in the detention camp are probably the best place they could be, well fed and well protected. They probably have a better time in there than our homeless childrens and families who are citizen of the U.S. If I was homeless, I would call myself an Illegal alien so I can either live in the free camp or get welfare, foodstamps or free hospital care.In anycase, the camps does serve as a good temporary center for them to stay in and I highly doubt that the U.S. can sustain containing 12-20 million Illegals in the camp as some would suggest. If we don't have this type of camp, how would you suggest we deport Illegals???? Oh I see, lets give everyone who crosses over illegally a permit to work. Lets just call it a guest citizenship. Lets just call ourselves United People of the World, rather than the United States.Really, I do wish there exist a united world where race and color does not matter--but I am all grown up now. People's pride, hatred and ideology runs too deep for such a fantasy.

It's not temporary, it's indefinite and China is apparently not taking them back. The US built these centers for profit and needs to fill beds just like the prison system is for profit.You seem to care about Chinese illegals when you said: I don't understand why asians should support this movement. The US immigrations deport Chinese who try to sneak over here through the shipping boats, while they turn a blind's eye to the Illegal Mexican crossing the borders. This is discrimnation. The problem is that Chinese gets deported because, Asians don't have enough political clout...If there is some sort of guess worker's program, will Chinese or other Asian worker be allow to stay and work themselves into Citizenship. I highly doubt that, but hope it works both ways. Otherwise, its just plain discrimination.

I learned alot recently from watching the debate on CNN such as the fact that these immigrants pay three times more taxes than they use in social services. From the website below, I learned that the gov't has 420 billion from their taxes which they can't reclaim because of status and because of tax cuts for the rich, the gov't under W. saves 69 billion EVERY YEAR that is not collected from the top 1%. I understand your point of view though. I don't think people should feel they have to leave their countries to lead better lives for themselves and their families. But US foreign policy and economic policy is responsible for Mexicans coming to this country. NAFTA and globalization are the main reason they have to come here. So immigration is not an important an issue as the media says it is. It is a racist smokescreen for pressing issues that implicate thi administration.http://alisavaldesrodriguez.blogspot.com/Many illegal immigrants do, in fact, pay taxes. According to the U.S. government, the majority of illegal immigrants pay taxes through Individual Taxpayer Identification numbers of false social security numbers. On average, immigrants – regardless of legal status – will pay $80,000 per capita MORE in taxes than they will USE in government services.The Social Security Administration at this very moment holds $420 BILLION in taxes paid from earnings of illegal immigrants who, because of their legal status, are ineligible to claim the funds.Meanwhile, since taking office, George W. Bush has SLASHED taxes for the top 1 percent of the population – ie the VERY RICH. The average amount of money SAVED in taxes for the 1.3 million wealthiest Americans PER YEAR thanks to these new laws is: $53,120 PER PERSON. That is a total of $69056000000.00 - PER YEAR - in taxes that we were getting from the nation’s mullti-billionaires BEFORE Bush that we are NOT getting now, taxes that the billionaires would not have even noticed were gone. That's $69 billion. A year. For this amount of money, we as a nation could have provided health coverage for 40 million AMERICANS for a year; almost the exact number of Americans now living without health insurance. For that matter, we could have provided health coverage for FOUR TIMES the number of illegal immigrants as currently reside here; not that you'd ever want us to do something like that. My point is, this money you're worried about? It's being taken from the poor to give to the rich by our sick Reverse-Robin-Hood administration.

I don't have to talk about how the white man wronged me. I never said that. And regarding what I said, I said "a race commiting grievances against another race." I never said anything about internal ethnic issues. I ain't some PC wonk who says everyone's greedy and injust all the same. It just so happens that white people are far more capable of organized violence. Don't believe me? Go read "Clash of Civilizations." Or read "Guns, Germs, and Steel". Or read about the last 300 years of white colonization. Or read about how the americans genocided 1/4 of the philipine's population in the spanish american war. Or read about the deportation of some 200 thousand mexican AMERICANS during the Great Depression! My God, you need to read about what the hell happened in history! Do some research! The facts bear witness to what I'm saying, and there's no escaping it!And if what you say is true, that this is just a legal and an illegal issue, then why the hell are illegals from russia, poland, and eastern europe not being deported and interned? WHY?!Yes, we live in a racist country, the USA. To deny that is like saying water isn't wet. Racism is an INSTITUTION in this country! That's why I said, this bill is not JUST about illegal immigration! And what the hell is illegal anyway? California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, these were all part of Mexico untill just 100 years ago! This is where they have ALWAYS LIVED, for several hundred years before the formation of the Western USA! Before even the spanish, and that's for several millenia!You want to know what's legal? When the white man comes here. Or someone with money. Whats illegal? When anyone brown, black, red, or yellow comes here. That's a FACT.

And I'm going to back up what I have to say with even MORE FACTS about institutionalized racism in this country, in this country's policy, and yes, in the goddamn war.Here's one on the US policy in Iraq"US army in Iraq institutionally racist, claims British officer "http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1684561,00.htmlHere's another on the Iraqi deaths - 300,000. My, 100 times to our 3000. We the USA certainly are punitive, aren't we?http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m22536&hd=0&size=1&l=eAnd here's another one, from our very own veterans.http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/11/10_400.htmlAnd if you want to be really angry, watch this one.http://www.teambio.org/2006/04/we-were-soldiers/And this one is just an opinion piece, but well backed uphttp://civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2006/03/your-huddled-masses-are-now-my.htmlThat's for just in case you still want to say that I'm bigoted. If me backing it up with facts makes me that way, fine. So be it. I will keep backing it up with facts, simply because history, and present day, is rife with it. Ergo, almost all of the crap you see that are problems in the middle east, South America, Latin America, Asia, stem directly from the white european colonization, and all the crap that went on with it.Please do your research. And please travel to these countries and learn. That is what I did.

Undocumented workers do 5% of the jobs in the US. If Latinos did not work in construction, farming, hospitality and cleaning, doing jobs that as Mexico's President said "even blacks won't do" our economy would be seriously affected."I don't understand why asians should support this movement."Does this ring a bell?First they came for the Jewsand I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.Then they came for the Communistsand I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.Then they came for the trade unionistsand I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me.--Pastor Niemoller, Berlin, 1939

*sigh*Apparently, I'm the only Asian American who listens to the news but on All Things Considered just now, Chinese restaurant owners with undocumented workers are the first the feds have cracked down on. Two Chinese American naturalized citizens face 30 years in prison for hiring and underpaying undocumented Asian and Latino workers. The audio will be available at 7:30 PM EST.http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5344531

We do need immigration control. Its out of control right now. Send them all back. I hope some kind of bill pass to end this.

I don't know where the previous poster gets his/her information from on how Illegals pay more taxes than they use in service. I like to see some real sources please, and don't give me addresses to Blogs either.Here is a site to take a look at:http://www.cis.org/topics/costs.html"...net fiscal cost of immigration ranges from $11 billion to $22 billion per year...""...California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year..."I don't know how Illegals can possibly pay any type of taxes when most of their jobs are low wages earners. Even if they do, the services they use are significantly higher as the research in the above article indicates.

Dave - All you have shown me are that you are preaching more hatred to this world. The links you showed me are opinions and opinions and more propagandas against what you so labeled the "white man" and termed institutional racism. You are just part of the problem.If you hate this country we live in, please move to Iraq, Mexico, or Cuba and see if you still hate the white man in the U.S. Frankly I don't know what you are doing here since you seem to hate everyone here.You sound more and more like you are going to join the movement to take back the US Southwest.

Michael,You like to make accusations. Fine, that's your style. I don't make any assumptions about you. I refuse to.Again, I will back up what I have to say with more established people. Again, if me stating the facts makes me a bigot,then I'm the biggest one there is. Since the links are simply that, a convenience, then for the audience here who readsthis blog, I will implore you to take the time and effort to read and study these books if you want to know why the thingsthat are happening today are happening, what has happened in the past 200 years to generate our state. I also ask that youkeep this in mind, this universal law."What you sow, so shall you reap." This is also known as the law of kharma.Let's start with a right wing book, from the man who formed the foundation of today's neocon strategic thought, one Mr.Zbigniew Brzezinski. His book to read, is The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives. Mr.Brzezinski has some fantastic credentials. Advisor to several presidents in foreign policy, including Carter, Reagan, amongothers. This books lays the foundation for anglo-american imperial ambition at low cost. He is the man responsible for theMujahadeen afghanistan, and of course, for the karma that we as americans are now reaping from it. You will want to readhim first before analyzing anything of Henry Kissinger's, who, I might add, is wanted for war crimes, and is known as the"Butcher of Cambodia" in many many nations outside the US. This is right wing thought. Enjoy it. I did. I also became quiteangry when I understood it. The chinese call Mr. Brzezinski "America's greatest strategist". ALthough, I'm sure he wasn'tanticipating the blowback from his policies.Let's go to a moderate position. The CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE REMAKING OF WORLD ORDER by Mr. Samuel P. Huntington.I'm sure some of you will howl that this is a neocon book. For me, compared to Kissinger and Brzezinski, this guy is muchmore moderate. This is a good book to understand the jingoism of american culture. Huntington also has some strongcredentials. He's a harvard professor, that paragon of "liberal" thought. Man I could laugh about that one. He is alsohighly influential in america's institutions. If you want to understand some of the background of institutionalized racism,read his book.Let's got to a more left wing position. Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies, by Jared Diamond. This is agood book to read to understand that part of his thesis about white europeans is that they are good at organized violence.This set of three books is a good start in learning about why, what happened, what's going on now, and what we have comingfor us in the future. You can get them at amazon.com.This link has tons of resources on the effects of the european colonization. Not too mention tons of books.http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/2005/12/reevaluating-colonial-democide.htmlIt has a lot of statistics of the deaths caused by the white european colonization. It does not include the europeancolonization of asia. Vietnam alone lost millions from the french induced famine. Course, to be fair, Mao's purging isincluded. But it still is small compared to what europe did, and the purges were against people of his own race. Again, mystatement is of one race against another. For that, the white's have no equal.This past 200 years has laid the foundation for the next 200. We as asian americans have a lot of work to do if we wish tocleanse of this horrific kharma. I won't even start about what white people are going to have to do, and that's if theyrealize that they as a collective are as much responsible for these atrocities as the one's who commited them. Our demandfor cheap products, materials, for our economy forms much of the basis for the collective responibility. Every gallon webuy to fuel our cars, is paid in blood in the middle east. Much of our economy depends on the export of weapons, paid byour taxes. To truly understand the extent, and size of how much responsibility there is, then you need to read "Crossingthe Rubicon" by Michael Rupert. All these books are the results of years, decades of research. And interestingly enough,they're written by white people. Yet, surprisingly enough, the ones who truly see the extent of responsibility, andacknowledge the responsibility of the white race, ie. Jared Diamond and Michael Rupert, are white. These people are yourallies.I will state it again, and again. Institutionalized racism is the foundation of this country. We have fought for 160 yearsagainst it, first separately in the courts, and then with our black and hispanic brothers. We united with them in the1960's with Martin Luther King. We have to unite again. Let us sow good karma. We have to fight this immigration bill withour hispanic and black brethren... and with the whites who see their part in this giant game.

Oh yes, and that cis webpage that you referred to? Here's a critique of it."CIS has also been critiqued as being part of a network of anti-immigrant groups that cater to a white supremacist constituency by right-wing economic libertarians who believe in the benefits of mass and unfettered immigration. A Wall Street Journal op-ed (June 15, 2004), that was widely praised and circulated by pro-immigrant groups, reported that despite the fact that CIS “may strike right-wing poses in the press,” it and other like-minded groups “support big government, mock federalism, deride free markets, and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any self-respecting social conservative.” A follow-up article in the Wall Street Journal titled “Borderline Republicans” described the anti-immigration network this way: “CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, ProjectUSA—and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfortable with—were founded or funded (or both) by John Tanton. In addition to trying to stop immigration to the U.S., appropriate population control measures for Dr. Tanton and his network include promoting China’s one-child policy, sterilizing Third World women, and wider use of RU-486.” (5) Replying to this charge, Krikorian wrote in National Review Online that CIS does not take a “position on anything that does not involve U.S. immigration policy.” (6)I like the part about it stating the need for sterilization of third world women. My my, the third world is composed of who? Non white people. Are we sure we want to get information from a source like that? This institutionalized racism at it's best. err, or would that be worst? This just reiterates my point. Institutional Racism is the foundation of this country. We must fight it.

the-un.orgHere's more discussion on Asian America, immigration, and the media. I for one am glad that Hyphen exists, and this is the kind of Asian American media that I am proud to support.

More on CIS:It is the Center's mission to expand the base of public knowledge and understanding of the need for an immigration policy that gives first concern to the broad national interest. The Center is animated by a pro-immigrant, low-immigration vision which seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted.Thanks for links, Dave.

So the CIS doesn't want immigrants here but will give a "warm welcome" to those who come through. You mean the CIS will give the few that get through a flower lei?Snerk.

Dave - I don't even bother reading your post because:1) Your hatred lies in history. We are in the new century now. Come back to reality.2) All of your "sources" and "facts" are more opinions, blogs and unfounded and undocumented "truth". All your "truth" are from the same circle of friends and people that feel the same way that you do - hatred. You are blinded by your hate Dave. I feel really sorry for you and others like you.3) This history you so qoute has nothing to do with the subject at hand, which is Illegal crimminal crossing our borders. Get back to the present time.The institutional racism? Though I do agree that racism still exists among ignorant people, America has made great stride in changes and progress.Look at minorities who have held high degree of positionS. Condoleezza Rice, Antonio R. Villaraigosa, General Colin Luther Powell and etc...Where else do minorities get such power and influence - AMERICA.These are just a few examples...Where else do minorities get a chance to better themselves...AMERICA.Where else are there freedom of speech and freedom to hate and freedom to protest.What country do we celebrate a man of color nationally - "Martin Luther King".What country do "white men" goes to civil var fighting other "white men" to abolish slavery.What country gives woman the same right as man. Iraq? China? I don't think so.

Wow. You really need to work on your education, Mike. The Civil War was not fought to stop slavery. It was fought, in the words of Abe Lincoln himself, "to preserve the Union", over taxation population issues otherwise known as the 3/5ths compromise, and let's not forget that Lincoln also hailed the founding of Liberia as a state for freed slaves... in Africa. This is deportation all over again.Right. Great strides in progress? Right. Let's see.Peru - President Alberto Fujimori, a japanese peruvian, 10 years. Let's see that happen in the USA.Belize, Brazil, Peru, Venezuela, Ecuador, all of these countries have had minorities in positions of power for far longer than the US. Peru alone has had chinese peruvians in the senate for decades.Equal rights for women? Let's see. Countries that have had female presidents/prime ministers.- Pakistan- Sri Lanka- India- Bangladesh- TurkeyFunny how these countries except India and Sri Lanka are largely muslim. Turns the whole concept of muslim countries as being harsh on women on it's head doesn't it? Ain't that strange, that in the US, where supposedly women have equal rights with men, we still haven't had a female president? But in these "backwards", and "muslim" countries, they've had female prime ministers for decades?Yes, the US has made some strides in racial relations. But compared to her neighbor in the north, neighbors in the south, and all over the world, she lags far behind.Back to the immigration debate, the books that I listed,The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives.The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of the World Orderare completely related to the immigration issue. Because they outline the culture, and the background to WHY this is happening, and they tie in with this book,Confessions of an Economic HitmanThis book tells you how the USA purposely keeps third world countries in permanent debt, destabilizes their economies, and well, guess where a person goes when his economy is destabilized? That's right. HERE. The IMF, the World Bank, say those two phrases to argentinians, and brazilians, and you will hear the rhetoric of a would be suicide bomber seeking revenge. Again, the Law of Kharma applies.And if these BOOKS that I list, which are based on decades of research, to you is still just an opinion blog, well then this argument is null and void.On second thought, why do I get the feeling that I'm engaging in a debate with an 8th grader? Can anyone else please jump in?

Oh yes, and as for our inalienable right to freedom of speech, freedom to protest, freedom to hate, and freedom to rant? Are you so sure that you still have it? This is for everyone, not just Mike.I have three words for you.Free Speech ZoneI DARE you to put a flyer out that says something nasty about Bush and Cheney, and I GARUANTEE YOU that you will have the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA crawling all over you within 24 hours, and you will have your right to travel freely WITHIN THE USA revoked. That's known as the no fly list. This is now garaunteed. When did this happen? It's called the Patriot Act parts I and II.Nobody fought for their rights when they passed the Patriot Act. Nobody fought for their rights when they allowed wiretapping without a warrant. Nobody cried out when they criminalized freedom of association, freedom to an attourney, and the right to stop self incrimination. You are no longer garaunteed the right to a lawyer, especially if your activity fits "terrorist activity," which, by the way, can mean something as simple as carrying a notebook in a protest. Go and see the new laws recently passed in Virginia, Florida, and pending everywhere else.Nobody said anything.And now that they've revoked our Bill of Rights, they've gone to the first step in the phase two. Criminalizing migrants. First it will be illegal, and then it will be the legal ones. Thank God, that uniquely latin american tradition of revolting has happened! Because we all know what will happen next if we just let them (white racist elites and their fascist institutions) walk all over us.Which reminds me of a joke to lighten up the tone of this forum. I learned this while living in latin america.The president's wife went to Mexico, where she was invited to watch a bullfight with the mexican president. The mexican president said, "This is our favorite past time!" to which the fair lady said, "That's revolting!" Without missing a beat, the mexican president said, "No, that's our 2nd Favorite past time!"To the audience who reads these postings, I hope you've gained something. There's a lot more going on here then what's being presented to us. The economy is getting a lot worse, inflation is skyrocketing, and the Iraq war and atrocities are getting worse. The US is now isolated in the global community. We are no longer the paragon of human rights, as seen by our refusal to sit on the human rights boards in the UN. Global warming is now out of control. Iran wants to trade oil in Euros with their new oil bourse, which means trillions of US dollars come flooding into the US creating massive inflation. Prices skyrocket, and people will scream. The prop of the economy, the housing market, is now deflating, and fast.What better way to distract a populace then by finding a scapegoat... and then later, multiple scapegoats? This was the very same action of Hitler, Moussolini, Franco, Suharto, and countless others.As asian americans, we have been through this many times in history. Now, maybe for the first time, we're not being directly targeted. By no means does that mean we should lose our eternal vigilance. The sources I've presented in this blog are meant for you, the reader, to read and decide for yourself the true history and nature of what's going on. I can't make you read it. Only you can, because ultimately,No one can make you a victim without your permission.Let's never forget Wen Ho Lee, who was innocent. Let's not forget what they did to us, when we decided to be politically active in 1996! And of course the countless grievances that were committed on asian americans all throughout history, despite our contributions to this society! And never forget, even the japanese americans, the most decorated unit of all US army history, the 442nd, who paid the ultimate sacrifice, in their lives, and they didn't have their rights until Martin Luther King marched! Never forget this!Do not give them an inch. Ever.Please make revolting your 2nd favorite pasttime.Thank you."Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty" - Wendell Phillips

Dave, I really enjoy your writings. If you have a blog yourself, or other writings you you'd like to share, I would really appreciate it. If you need annominity, then please email the info to web [at] hyphenmagazine.com. Thanks. Looking forward to your reply.

You may be talking to the same right-wing white troll, Michael, who was on the website mentioned earlier and you should ignore trolls. But what you said is amazing and come back when you don't have to talk to a troll!http://alisavaldesrodriguez.blogspot.com/2006_04_08_alisavaldesrodriguez_archive.html#114453884140175892

The above comment was to Dave. I'd like to know more about your experiences too, Dave.

Ha ha ha - I like the article dedicated to "Michael" on your opininated blogs designed to demonized everyone who speaks against Illegals. I suspects this is the reason why many Asian does not speak out are stand any which way on the issue.I think Anonymous, nonwhiteperson and Dave are drawn on the same hate mongering that they so despise.The issue at hand is why should any or Asian support Illegal crossing of our borders? So far, you guys have not shown me anything worth while except more hate preaching because I do not agree with you. You guys use the same tactics, demonizing me in your own blogs like a little kid who has nothing else to say. Very childlish.Dave, you say "...Criminalizing migrants. First it will be illegal, and then it will be the legal ones..."That statement alone tells me how blind you are: Criminalizing "legal ones" -- yeah lets make everyone in America criminal. Duhhh- how absurd. For the record, Illegal crossing of our borders is breaking the law. The last time I look breaking the law is criminal. It does not mean migrants - it means Illegals.Migrants are people not breaking laws and come over here through the system with documents. I and many others migrated over here and waited over a year before we were eligible. Why should people who cross the border ILLEGALLY - UNDOCUMENTED be given a free pass?

I'm not Alisa, but Alisa believes you are David Duke.David Duke in the house!

Michael,People who cross the border aren't doing it for fun. They aren't doing it because they don't feel like waiting in line. They don't have that kind of luxury. Yes, they are illegal. You waited in line, they did not. But you had the luxury of waiting a year.If your arguement is based on "they broke the law therefore they are bad," well, I think you're being way too simplistic.People come here illegally (whether at the US-Mexico border or with false documents at the airport) for economic reasons. They come here because they can't survive in their own countries and there are economic opportunities here. Many of them don't want to come here, or even want to stay here. They do it because they have families to support and that's the sacrifices they have to make -- to try and cross the border, maybe get caught, maybe not see their families for years and years, or maybe never again.Your constant "oh my god, they are illegal!" has not an ounce of compassion in it, which is what bothers me about your posts. These are HUMAN BEINGS, not just as "legals" or "illegals" and saying "well, they are illegal, they shouldn't do it" is not going to solve anything. You ask why we should care? We should care about illegals because they are people. The only difference between you and them is that you got your papers. Should people get punished for trying to help their families? I don't think so.Also, I believe your are blind if you think this sort of legislation has no effect on legal immigrants, if in spirit. These bills seem to be part of an atmosphere of increasing xenophobia. How long is it going to be before you're stopped on the street by a cop (which they are NOT supposed to do now as local, and not federal enforcement) asking for your papers and proof of legal status? Is that the kind of society you want to live in?

What was addressed at the immigration forum last year? Weren't there supposed to be two follow-up forums?Most importantly, what happened the the 39,000 Chinese families who the Chinese premier did not want to take back to China? Where are they right now? Are they in the Halliburton detention centers?Most importantly, does anyone CARE?I brought up the Chinese families here last April 14 when my name was "anonymous":Chinese American internment camps in the USThere are about 11-12 Million undocumented immigrants in this country, 1 Million of whom are Asian American.The Department of Homeland Security as headed by Michael Chertoff recently awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root a contract of up to $385 million to build internment camps within the United States.You might ask, who would the US intern on its own lands, and why?Over at DailyKos I found this posting that described how 39,000 Chinese American immigrants and their families who have been denied citizenship in the US but who China refuses to allow reentry, are going to be housed in internment camps IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.These people have not been found guilty of any crimes, except that they would like greater opportunities for their kids and themselves. In a few weeks, nearly 40,000 Chinese immigrants and their families will be interned.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/17/13272/4156http://powerandpolitics.blogspot.com/2006/03/chinese-american-internment-camps-in.htmlPosted by: anonymous at April 14, 2006 6:27 PM

Does anyone know what happened to these families in limbo?Knowing Asian American political apathy, this will be a rhetorical question.

Hi Anna,First, thank you for the sane and reasonable argument you presented to me. I thought I was going to get another hate speech.I do believe that people come over here for the economic opportunities and I sympathize with them. However, my position is that Legalizing 12-20 Millions Illegals is not the answer to the problem. We are not talking about a few hundreds Cuban or Chinese dangerously sneaking over here to escape political prosecution...we are talking about millions people crossing our borders (because of proximity, they can go back and forth). If people come over here because of political prosecution, then I say make them all citizens.Like I mention before, legalizing Illegals will only create a new poor class while creating another class of Illegals. The employers will hire only Illegals because of the cost and displace the new citizen. The answer lies in fixing their own country economically. Get rid of corruption in their own country. Create a viable economy so that they don't have to flee and find work in the U.S. All the protestors should be protesting in Mexico for economic reforms and changes. That is where the long term solution lies, not legalizing Illegals. The solution is within - from the home.Mexico calls us a racist for trying to secure our borders when people from South America crosses Mexico's border are considered FELONS. When we in the U.S. barely deport Illegals, provide health care and schoolings to children. It does not get any better than that. Tell me why Mexico considered Illegals Felons while we don't? You guys should fight for Illegals and Immigrants in Mexico.I am not without compassion, I am just more realistic.

Hey Davy, China is not just talkng about sterilizing third worlders, China IS sterilizing them in Tibet, the appropriated land of sky. So I guess that is all at the behest of this Dr. Tanton. Gotta blame anyone but the ones who actually do the dirty deeds if the latter happen to be asian. Yeah, since it's asians against asians, I guess that doesn't set off your karma alarm.

Hmm, Methinks Michael doth protest too much about Dave's post. Dave doesn't seem to be spewing hate speech, that I can tell.About those books, might I add"The Open Veins of Latin America" ? The book is heavily researched and shows how Europe and the USA pillaged South and Central America, and continue to do so today.I read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman", on Dave's recommendation. It's excellent. Here's an excerpt for all of you."Today we see the results of this system run amok. Executives at our most respected companies hire people at near-slave wages to toil under inhuman conditions in Asian sweatshops. Oil companies wantonly pump toxins into rain forest rivers, consciously killing people, animals, and plants, and committing genocide among ancient cultures. The pharmaceutical industry denies lifesaving medicines to millinos of HIV-infected Africans. Twelve million families in our own United States worry about their next meal. The energy industry creates an Enron. The accounting industry creates and Andersen. The income ratio of the one-fifth of the world's population in the wealthiest countries to the one-fifth in the poorest went from 30 to 1 in 1960 to 74-1 in 1995. The United States spends over 87 billion conducting a war in Iraq, while the United Nations estimates that for less than half that amount, we could provide clean water, adequate diets, sanitation services, and basic education to every person on the planet.And we wonder why terrorist attack us?" - John Perkins, (Confessions of an Economic Hitman) p xiv, 2004That passage really hit home for me.

Hmm, Methinks Michael doth protest too much about Dave's post. Dave doesn't seem to be spewing hate speech, that I can tell.About those books, might I add"The Open Veins of Latin America" ? The book is heavily researched and shows how Europe and the USA pillaged South and Central America, and continue to do so today.I read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman", on Dave's recommendation. It's excellent. Here's an excerpt for all of you."Today we see the results of this system run amok. Executives at our most respected companies hire people at near-slave wages to toil under inhuman conditions in Asian sweatshops. Oil companies wantonly pump toxins into rain forest rivers, consciously killing people, animals, and plants, and committing genocide among ancient cultures. The pharmaceutical industry denies lifesaving medicines to millinos of HIV-infected Africans. Twelve million families in our own United States worry about their next meal. The energy industry creates an Enron. The accounting industry creates and Andersen. The income ratio of the one-fifth of the world's population in the wealthiest countries to the one-fifth in the poorest went from 30 to 1 in 1960 to 74-1 in 1995. The United States spends over 87 billion conducting a war in Iraq, while the United Nations estimates that for less than half that amount, we could provide clean water, adequate diets, sanitation services, and basic education to every person on the planet.And we wonder why terrorist attack us?" - John Perkins, (Confessions of an Economic Hitman) p xiv, 2004That passage really hit home for me.

Wow Joe - you don't think Dave is spewing hate speech? Here are some elegant quotes from Dave:"Do you honestly think those white a$$holes are going to stop with illegal immigration?" --Dave----who goes around saying "white a$$holes""...white people have committed more genocide, slavery, and subjugated, raped, and pillaged more people of color than any known race in history." --Dave"It just so happens that white people are far more capable of organized violence." --Dave"Yes, we live in a racist country, the USA. To deny that is like saying water isn't wet. Racism is an INSTITUTION in this country!" --Dave----it sure sounds like racism sure do exist, doesn't it???? You got the ignorant racist and the ignorant anti-racist. Which one are you?All of this has nothing to do with Illegals crossing our border either. The solution lies in fixing the corrupted Mexican govenment, not the U.S.

Idiots, Again get rid all controlling only evil leading class of world leaders who have every saying from immigration, social/economic molibity, race problems, war, race problems, oh i better than you mentality... are cause of ill will around the world. Have we learn from history? We the world masses of humans need to wake up, and make the decison for the future of humanity. I smell a revolution - must be by peaceful means of rid of the all the evils. Only masses can put end to madness we see now, it no brainer, Masses must collectively make decision , fuck make it for better humanity! One can do it so implore all you mindless idiots the masses to start using your brains!This is no brianer why all you can't see this! Take time to think about this! Idiots! I belong human race, so logically I am must be ido it also, I belong to so call human race?Blame not the stupid, idiots... world masses of the humans race but why follow a few evil leaders charistmistic, hypnotic immoral filth speechs... Instead, but find ways get rid, by Peaceful means only! , rid of all the evil ruling world leaders and his confidants = No War! Replace with antiwar leaders, it would be nice with Gods Kingdom! For PEACE, LOVE ... to occur; the human masses must Open There little damned beady eyes! Its a no brianer, the ===> " few Evil Leaders are the root causes of all ill will for the human race in this materislistic world plane"; which world masses does not see yet. When evil leaders say we go to war for nationalistic reasons... or for what ever reasons, we follow like naive zombie robots into war, mass suicide...! Human destruction! WAKE UP IDIOTS!When the damned human masses wakes up, it will be too late. I dont feel sorry! (Another human fraility!) The End? Start a revolution, but a peaceful demontration to "rid all the worlds evil leaders" (Than will have world peace!) and replace with? Realistically Will be nice with gods kingdom!It not easy task, we need to open our eyes now! Start a revolution for the world masses, not war, but a start Peaceful demontration for world peace rid of evil leaders tan will will be able to see peace, love...!(Mantra)Solution to Peace, love ... get rid evil leaders and save mankind!Solution to Peace, love ... get rid evil leaders and save mankind!Would like to here all your comments! Maybe all will start a blog spread the words to human masses for peace! Take Action now for Peace! Than will see better tommorrow, maybe or maybe not! Hopefully for peace!With gods help we should all Pray for Peace, Love ... and rid all evils in the world! AmenBy ONE of Idiot Human race! (By American Born Chinese....)Posted by: Anonymous at May 9, 2006 02:51 PM

Idiots, Again get rid all controlling only evil leading class of world leaders who have every saying from immigration, social/economic molibity, race problems, war, race problems, oh i better than you mentality... are cause of ill will around the world. Have we learn from history? We the world masses of humans need to wake up, and make the decison for the future of humanity. I smell a revolution - must be by peaceful means of rid of the all the evils. Only masses can put end to madness we see now, it no brainer, Masses must collectively make decision , fuck make it for better humanity! One can do it so implore all you mindless idiots the masses to start using your brains!This is no brianer why all you can't see this! Take time to think about this! Idiots! I belong human race, so logically I am must be ido it also, I belong to so call human race?Blame not the stupid, idiots... world masses of the humans race but why follow a few evil leaders charistmistic, hypnotic immoral filth speechs... Instead, but find ways get rid, by Peaceful means only! , rid of all the evil ruling world leaders and his confidants = No War! Replace with antiwar leaders, it would be nice with Gods Kingdom! For PEACE, LOVE ... to occur; the human masses must Open There little damned beady eyes! Its a no brianer, the ===> " few Evil Leaders are the root causes of all ill will for the human race in this materislistic world plane"; which world masses does not see yet. When evil leaders say we go to war for nationalistic reasons... or for what ever reasons, we follow like naive zombie robots into war, mass suicide...! Human destruction! WAKE UP IDIOTS!When the damned human masses wakes up, it will be too late. I dont feel sorry! (Another human fraility!) The End? Start a revolution, but a peaceful demontration to "rid all the worlds evil leaders" (Than will have world peace!) and replace with? Realistically Will be nice with gods kingdom!It not easy task, we need to open our eyes now! Start a revolution for the world masses, not war, but a start Peaceful demontration for world peace rid of evil leaders tan will will be able to see peace, love...!(Mantra)Solution to Peace, love ... get rid evil leaders and save mankind!Solution to Peace, love ... get rid evil leaders and save mankind!Would like to here all your comments! Maybe all will start a blog spread the words to human masses for peace! Take Action now for Peace! Than will see better tommorrow, maybe or maybe not! Hopefully for peace!With gods help we should all Pray for Peace, Love ... and rid all evils in the world! AmenBy ONE of Idiot Human race! (By American Born Chinese....)Posted by: Anonymous at May 9, 2006 02:51 PM

Idiots, Again get rid all controlling only evil leading class of world leaders who have every saying from immigration, social/economic molibity, race problems, war, race problems, oh i better than you mentality... are cause of ill will around the world. Have we learn from history? We the world masses of humans need to wake up, and make the decison for the future of humanity. I smell a revolution - must be by peaceful means of rid of the all the evils. Only masses can put end to madness we see now, it no brainer, Masses must collectively make decision , fuck make it for better humanity! One can do it so implore all you mindless idiots the masses to start using your brains!This is no brianer why all you can't see this! Take time to think about this! Idiots! I belong human race, so logically I am must be ido it also, I belong to so call human race?Blame not the stupid, idiots... world masses of the humans race but why follow a few evil leaders charistmistic, hypnotic immoral filth speechs... Instead, but find ways get rid, by Peaceful means only! , rid of all the evil ruling world leaders and his confidants = No War! Replace with antiwar leaders, it would be nice with Gods Kingdom! For PEACE, LOVE ... to occur; the human masses must Open There little damned beady eyes! Its a no brianer, the ===> " few Evil Leaders are the root causes of all ill will for the human race in this materislistic world plane"; which world masses does not see yet. When evil leaders say we go to war for nationalistic reasons... or for what ever reasons, we follow like naive zombie robots into war, mass suicide...! Human destruction! WAKE UP IDIOTS!When the damned human masses wakes up, it will be too late. I dont feel sorry! (Another human fraility!) The End? Start a revolution, but a peaceful demontration to "rid all the worlds evil leaders" (Than will have world peace!) and replace with? Realistically Will be nice with gods kingdom!It not easy task, we need to open our eyes now! Start a revolution for the world masses, not war, but a start Peaceful demontration for world peace rid of evil leaders tan will will be able to see peace, love...!(Mantra)Solution to Peace, love ... get rid evil leaders and save mankind!Solution to Peace, love ... get rid evil leaders and save mankind!Would like to here all your comments! Maybe all will start a blog spread the words to human masses for peace! Take Action now for Peace! Than will see better tommorrow, maybe or maybe not! Hopefully for peace!With gods help we should all Pray for Peace, Love ... and rid all evils in the world! AmenBy ONE of Idiot Human race! (By American Born Chinese....)

I just find it ironic that many of Dave's quotes come from books written by white people who are right wingers.Does anyone else see the irony?

I just find it ironic that the quotes Mike lists about the "racism" from Dave actually come from books written by white people who are right wingers.Does anyone else see the irony?

Idiots, Again get rid all controlling only evil leading class of world leaders who have every saying from immigration, social/economic molibity, race problems, war, race problems, oh i better than you mentality... are cause of ill will around the world. Have we learn from history? We the world masses of humans need to wake up, and make the decison for the future of humanity. I smell a revolution - must be by peaceful means of rid of the all the evils. Only masses can put end to madness we see now, it no brainer, Masses must collectively make decision , fuck make it for better humanity! One can do it so implore all you mindless idiots the masses to start using your brains!This is no brianer why all you can't see this! Take time to think about this! Idiots! I belong human race, so logically I am must be ido it also, I belong to so call human race?Blame not the stupid, idiots... world masses of the humans race but why follow a few evil leaders charistmistic, hypnotic immoral filth speechs... Instead, but find ways get rid, by Peaceful means only! , rid of all the evil ruling world leaders and his confidants = No War! Replace with antiwar leaders, it would be nice with Gods Kingdom! For PEACE, LOVE ... to occur; the human masses must Open There little damned beady eyes! Its a no brianer, the ===> " few Evil Leaders are the root causes of all ill will for the human race in this materislistic world plane"; which world masses does not see yet. When evil leaders say we go to war for nationalistic reasons... or for what ever reasons, we follow like naive zombie robots into war, mass suicide...! Human destruction! WAKE UP IDIOTS!When the damned human masses wakes up, it will be too late. I dont feel sorry! (Another human fraility!) The End? Start a revolution, but a peaceful demontration to "rid all the worlds evil leaders" (Than will have world peace!) and replace with? Realistically Will be nice with gods kingdom!It not easy task, we need to open our eyes now! Start a revolution for the world masses, not war, but a start Peaceful demontration for world peace rid of evil leaders tan will will be able to see peace, love...!(Mantra)Solution to Peace, love ... get rid evil leaders and save mankind!Solution to Peace, love ... get rid evil leaders and save mankind!Would like to here all your comments! Maybe all will start a blog spread the words to human masses for peace! Take Action now for Peace! Than will see better tommorrow, maybe or maybe not! Hopefully for peace!With gods help we should all Pray for Peace, Love ... and rid all evils in the world! AmenBy ONE of Idiot Human race! (By American Born Chinese....)

After 911, is anyone aware that USA Department of Motor Vehicle mailing in each state with goverment authorities/Homeland security ok, are tracking all Asian immigrating and american born asian ( whether, they chinese, koreans, japanese, indians... in/out of the usa ? I have never applied for Motor Vehicle license, and I am getting mailing from DOT say you motor vechicle license will expire soon and you never get a license if you dont replied soon

Why do Asians want to be Americans so bad?

The Almighty Dollar. Economics are easier in the immigrant nations that Europeans carved out of native american and aborigine lands.Asia is already too crowded with people with high work ethics, bright people, but not enough money circulating in their economies for everyone to have a chance at economic opportunity.These new continents have much more space, affordable real estate, more natural resources.Canada could be better, but it's too cold for some.Australia is also popular.I love the USA.USA! USA! USA! The Beautiful Country!--Except for the ignorant redneck a-holes, imperialist-war-mongering evil masterminds, racists, criminal thugs, machievellian corporate money grubbers, etc... -- I hate them. But I love America. And the Constitution is my Bible.

It doesnt matter what title you put in front or, after Asian, we just dont see you guys as real Americans just Immigrants.

People the world over always want the same things. Power, money, equal access, respect and dignity. They don't want to be American, white or whatever group with the most power at a given time."It doesnt matter what title you put in front or, after Asian, we just dont see you guys as real Americans just immigrants."They said that about every immigrant group that's entered this country and they all eventually "became white".

IF you are talking about the Europeans then yes they are white, but Blacks were here before most Europeans and even Spanish, but we do not consider them white

Here's an interesting treatise about that immigration bill. Dave mentioned something about criminalizing legal immigrants, and it looks like that's already starting.http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2006/05/who_are_we.htmlAnyone else want to add to this?

Hey, for those of you in LA, we are having an immigration forum on June 15th...Asian Pacific Americans for Progress (APAP) and the Organization of Chinese Americans - Greater LA (OCA-GLA) cordially invite you to:"Asian Americans and Immigration Reform: Where Do We Stand?" An Educational/Discussion Forum on Issues of Concern for the Asian Pacific Islander CommunityThursday, June 15, 20066:00 - 7:00 PM Reception and check-in7:00 - 8:30 PM Panel discussionChinese American Museum and Pico House425 N. Los Angeles StreetLos Angeles CA 90012  Complimentary food and refreshments will be provided. Speakers include:Mike Eng, Monterey Park City Councilmember and Former Mayor; Immigration Law AttorneyAnna Prasad, Executive Director, US-Asia Business ForumAquilina Soriano-Versoza, Executive Director, Pilipino Workers' CenterJohn Trasviña, Interim President and General Counsel, Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF)Kent Wong, Director of the UCLA Center for Labor ResearchSu Yon Yi, Director of Special Projects, National Korean American Service and Education ConsortiumFor more info.. go to:apaforprogress.org

Check out the strong response from South Asian organizations around the nation here.Actually, the ED of SAALT spoke at the DC rally on behalf of the Asian American community. Here's a brief NPR interview.Hyphen should do an interview too!